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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 548 for the 21st of April

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2019 happy birthday to you if it's your

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birthday today and a big happy birthday

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to Jim Wilshire the original voiceover

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man for the skeptic zone who has been

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introducing the show now fire his audio

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file of course for over ten years

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happy birthday June coming up on this

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week's show we interview professor Dave

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Dave Farina from California from Los

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Angeles is known as Professor Dave he

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does a series of online videos tutorials

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on YouTube and what brought him to my

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attention was a particularly good video

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he did deconstructing the arguments from

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the flat-earthers

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the globe Buster's in this case now Dave

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made a video originally about the Flat

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Earth and conspiracies and things like

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these globe Buster's then took it upon

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themselves to try to debunk what Dave

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said and they've looked at that and

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deconstructed what they said point by

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point like a surgeon it's really worth

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watching of course links in this week's

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show notes but coming up at the top of

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the show we talked to Professor Dave

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following that we have a short report

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published by Jane Hansen about a

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naturopath who has been banned by

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providing any health care services by

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the health care Complaints Commission

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then an interview from the Canberra

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skeptics with Christine Dunn who looks

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at sporting superstitions why is it that

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some sporting figures like to maybe have

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a particular colored hankerchief about

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their person when they're on the field

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or they may delay their entry after all

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or they have to have a phone call from

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somebody or so on and when can this

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start to be detrimental to their

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performance then we delve back into the

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pages of the skeptic magazine the

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journal from Australian skeptics and

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Porter story and item by dr. Steve

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Roberts an old friend of the skeptic

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zone Flying Saucer II searching the

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skies for evidence of UFOs and a history

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of hoaxes and to round off the show we

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chat to maenad about his upcoming

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maynard's Love Shack - now don't forget

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apart from being our reporter may not is

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one of Sydney's top DJ's and he's going

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to be having another night in glebe here

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in Sydney on the 4th of May Maynard's

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Love Shack - we find out more about that

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stay tuned at the end of the show for

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more announcements from me I wonder if

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that bird outsides gonna be quiet

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sit here and and wait for planes to go

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away because I live near the airport but

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year I don't know they're the weird

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think the planes coming over mmm it's

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one of the great mysteries of life while

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with maple syrup I hope you enjoy the

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and joining me now on the line all the

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way from beautiful Los Angeles

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California it's Dave Farina known as

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Professor Dave hello Dave

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I have a gun I'm doing really well

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thanks I'm doing well because just last

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week in fact I discovered a video you

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minute about the flat earth and flat

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earthers and that impressed me so much I

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had to find out more but before we get

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into that can you give our audience a

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little bit of background about yourself

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sure absolutely I run a YouTube channel

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called professor Dave explains it's just

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a bunch of educational tutorials they're

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wide variety of topics and I just sort

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of you know give them the CliffsNotes of

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their textbook little lectures that help

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them with their classes is pretty much

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what I do and what's your background

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generally education wise so I did a

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bachelor's in chemistry and then I

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research didn't really work out I was

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from science and more into sicom so I'm

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definitely a full-time science

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communicator and a generalist I would

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chemistry but I spend more of my time

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trying to learn biology and physics and

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tutorials as I can on my channel I was

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YouTube channel I'm quite struck by the

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sheer range of topics you cover all

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curriculum and I just sort of adapted it

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this great Italian content I don't want

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to I don't want to pretend that that

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that's all me there cuz you know I speak

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stuff that's I I don't quite have the

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command of that then that it seems on

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the videos but I knew that I could

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thought it would it would work out so

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many secrets there Dave we'll all just

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pretend that you're a master at all of

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these things and just quickly I mean you

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call yourself Professor Dave which is a

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great hook it's a great moniker I think

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professor in that sense are you well I

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mean I did teach organic chemistry for a

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number of years it tooth to some post

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backs so I don't know it's that I mean

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material for a number of years so I

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professor day but no one calls

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it's the I don't know I just thought you

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the Science Guy I probably would have

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been Dave the Science Guy but that was

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tonight so I just I needed another

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little thing you know I think it's it's

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great I mean it's a great little hook

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and people when you look at Dave's

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videos online it's I don't want to say

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you do it tongue-in-cheek but it's happy

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its friendly its engaging and there's a

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little theme tune and a little cartoon

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character of you so it's all very right

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III think it's a it's a wonderful

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approach now before we get on to some

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the flat earth topic which I want to

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talk to you about what are the things

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and the types of energy potential energy

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kinetic energy and all this sort of

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thing and this struck a chord with me

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because in the skeptical movement we are

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constantly hearing from the new ages the

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word energy and they have no idea what

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energy means anything from happy

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feelings to mystical forces unknown to

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science do you ever come across that

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yourself absolutely I think energy is

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one of the most misused words in the

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common language today possibly the most

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right along with theory theory is

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another one that ideas just monoi oil is

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my blood but energy it's it's tough

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because it has it began to be used in a

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metaphorical sense right this person has

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good energy this room has good energy or

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something like that and what has

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movement is they have begun to literal

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and it just runs everyone into all these

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problems because they they try to use

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science to back up what is essentially a

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metaphor you know so yeah I agree

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completely with your assessment of that

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word oh yeah we hear this all the time

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you buy this product whatever it happens

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to be to help you remove negative

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energies you can clear your room of

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negative energies we hear this all the

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time and my friend Brian Dunning over at

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podcast did a video over 10 years now

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called here be dragons I think that's

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the name of it where he talks about this

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exact problem I mean the new ages seem

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to think that energy is something like a

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Star Trek force it's magic it's it's a

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code word

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magic they want to promote a vibration

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is another one they like to use oh yeah

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because and it you know it atoms vibrate

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so you know it is a real thing but then

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they just say oh you know you're you

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have a bad vibration or a good vibration

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they just sort of extend actual

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scientific words into pseudo scientific

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it just becomes a slippery slope

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essentially it certainly does the one we

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hear all the time is we're going to

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raise the vibrations but let's talk

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about the video which really caught my

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attention I think it simply came up in

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my YouTube recommendations feed last

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where you were it's a bit of a bit of a

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story you were rebutting a video that

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was made about you where you originally

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made a video about Flat Earth can you

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please take us through that interesting

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tale absolutely I'd be happy to tell you

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the tale it's very interesting because I

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this is not really my world I'm not I

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mean I consider myself a skeptic but I'm

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not in the world of debunking I'm in the

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world I'm just academic tutorials and so

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what I did was I was wrapping up an

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system just really basic academic

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astronomy 101 stuff and sometimes at the

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modern physics I did like the future of

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space travel you know just something

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that I thought maybe would get a few

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more hits and so I did one on astrology

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Flat Earth video was well I I didn't I I

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didn't peer into the Flat Earth

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community at all I just made a video

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demonstrating how we know the earth is

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round it was really what contextualizing

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or lessons from earlier in the in the

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series and I did not anticipate that

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that video would would the day of

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release go to the number one search

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result for the Flat Earth keyword and so

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it all the flat earthers found it

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the globe busters decided to pick it

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apart in a three and a half hour

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livestream and were extremely rude to me

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in doing so and it's funny because if

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they were not so rude I probably would

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have ignored them but they were so rude

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and I'm a very stubborn and vindictive

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fellow so I decided that I needed to

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make a 45 minute video

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deconstructing their livestream to make

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them look as stupid as humanly possible

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I think was the main thing but but also

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what it was is that now that I you know

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they criticized me for misrepresenting

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their model which was true because I did

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not look at their model at all and so

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you know I just figured all right let me

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just do one thing here of picking apart

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their model as they presented it to me

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and that's what I did had a lot of fun

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doing it I'm certainly going to link

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directly to Professor Dave's YouTube

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channel but I would particularly point

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out folks that you watch the range of

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videos the two videos where Dave talks

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about the flatterer if the second one in

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particular is a wonderful surgical

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takedown point by point of the points

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made about your original video it's it's

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from a sceptical point of view it's it's

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joy you know sit back with a bottle of

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champagne and really enjoy it and you

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also taught me a lot of things I must

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say when I watched the second video as

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you deconstructed their criticism of you

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it certainly taught me a lot of

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interesting science about the earth

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because sadly we getting this more and

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more often people more and more people

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seem to be jumping onto the Flat Earth

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as it were

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yeah it's a bit disturbing to be honest

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now that I have just sort of been wading

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through this muck for a little bit I'm

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starting to become a little bit more

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familiar with this Flat Earth community

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and I'm starting to realize the extent

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to which it is more of a pulp than

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anything and so yeah I'm see I'm

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extremely convinced that figures such as

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the globe busters do not believe the

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earth is flat and instead of just

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profiting off of their you know their

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content

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and I'm not sure the extent to which the

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followers believe it either obviously

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some do but I you know there's talk of

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psyops and and paid trolls and all these

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things and I'm just like wow I need to

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get back to my regular content because

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this is this is crazy but yeah you know

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even just this little bit of time and

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managing the comment section on that one

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video has really opened my eyes to the

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the deceit that is going on it's not

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genuine you know it's not genuine

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inquiry and going on over there no

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matter how misled you know that's that's

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really interesting that's a very

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interesting point of view because in my

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experience over you know around about 20

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years I certainly know there are a lot

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of people in any New Age idea and we can

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broadly put this into a new-age idea or

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conspiracy idea who genuinely believe it

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there are thousands of people out there

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I would put to you absolutely and

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sincerely believe the world is flat and

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that they're fighting the big global

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conceal hiding the global conspiracy you

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might say yeah now how before we wrap up

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I'm really curious to know being a video

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producer myself and uh obviously an

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audio producer I'm very curious to know

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what your process is for making the

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videos you know how do you obviously

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write the script I I guess and and you

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have a little studio for filming how do

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you go about this so I am extremely

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fortunate in that living in Los Angeles

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I have access to YouTube Studios there

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are about a dozen of these locations

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around the actually I think there's one

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in Sydney is there not

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that's a good question I'd have to look

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into that they could well be I think I

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forget exactly which cities have them

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but there is one in Los Angeles and to

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anyone over a certain number of

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subscribers the facilities are made

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available for free so pretty quickly I

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mean it took about a year to get enough

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subscribers to to get that access but I

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I got there pretty quickly and so for

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three plus years I have just been so I

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sort of I batch write the scripts I just

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write a lot of scripts for a few weeks

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and then I just I

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I get one of the rooms that you - I get

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one of the green-screen rooms over at

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YouTube Studios here in Los Angeles for

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a day or two days sometimes three days

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12 hour days I hire someone to run

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camera and monitor audio and I just run

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through these scripts like 100 150 of

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them real rapid-fire and then I take it

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all home and I spend about three months

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editing and animating okay so you do the

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editing and then the post animation

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yourself and it's all me over here Wow

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and in the studio what is there an

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autocue situation for you oh you mean

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like a teleprompter yeah yeah yeah I use

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a teleprompter like the real deal of

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this kind of thing where when you look

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at it you you're flabbergasted that it

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even works because it's there's a

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there's like a one-way mirror and it and

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it projects the the the mirror image of

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the words that you're gonna you're just

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you're looking at words where the lens

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is the first time I saw it I was

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fascinated by but now I'm used to it

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I've been using it for years but it's

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been great practice I'm very good at

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reading prompter now so I'm not

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surprised

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we'll look folks there's the clue for

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you all no matter if you're a student or

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somebody like me who is been interested

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in science education and basically just

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learning about science professor Dave

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explains is a wide-ranging field for you

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to enjoy everything from cosmology to

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chemistry to even learning Italian it's

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all there for you and I will certainly

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link to all those oh it's really just

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one link in the show notes it's

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primarily a YouTube channel Dave but you

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also have a presence on Facebook I think

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yeah I mean I'm on all the social side

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on't know how well I curate them but

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they're there so yes because I and I

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also noticed I came across the podcast

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you did talking about the problem with

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the anti-vaxxers yes so I do have a

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podcast it's it doesn't have an

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extremely solid listenership yet but I'm

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still you know I've been plugging away I

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released one monthly it's called

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professor Dave debates and each episode

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is topic specific so we did one on

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flatter

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we did one on anti VAX you know I just

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try to find experts and we talk for

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about an hour about what they know there

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you go it's all there folks and I'll

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link to that as well in this week's show

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notes well professor day of day Farina

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all the way there in Los Angeles

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California thank you very much for all

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the time in the effort for what you do

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I'm certainly learning a lot and I'm

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sure my listeners will now run and click

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and enjoy your videos as well but for

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now professor Dave thank you very much

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thank you for having vitamins trans fats

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GMOs radiation what does it all mean you

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don't have time to figure all this out

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on your own don't you wish someone could

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just explain it to you plain and simple

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oh hello are you tired of not

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understanding the world around you would

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you like to learn science but can't

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because of your job or family or because

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you just don't want to try very hard let

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me help I'm professor Dave and I explain

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science stuff if you want to understand

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medicine nutrition or just about

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anything else that's science II you're

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going to have to learn about atoms and

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molecules my tutorials are comprehensive

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enough for students that want to a

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stayer courses but simple enough for the

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average jack or Jill that want to

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understand how a battery works what's

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happening when water boils or when it's

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appropriate to use the word quantum it's

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easy and fun to watch and you can test

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your understanding at the end of each

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clip so let's all learn some science and

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take down those corporate fat cats

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explains now here's a short report by

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Jane Henson published The Sunday

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Telegraph on the 14th of April 2019 anti

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VAX naturopath band after watchdog puts

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bite on her claims a naturopath has been

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prohibited from providing any health

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services of any description by the

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healthcare Complaints Commission Barbra

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O'Neill has been under investigation by

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the health watchdog for making false

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claims about cancer vaccinations and for

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recommending inappropriate substitutes

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for infant formula ms O'Neill runs misty

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mountain retreat near Kenzie and charges

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as much as three thousand one hundred

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dollars a week for health retreats and

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cancer quote treatments and quote the

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aged Triple C launched an investigation

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after receiving complaints from

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concerned citizens and registered health

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practitioners

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however 22,000 supporters have signed a

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petition appealing the H Triple C

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decision ms O'Neill claims antibiotics

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cause cancer and quote neurotoxins in

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vaccines have caused an epidemic of ADHD

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autism epilepsy and cot death end quote

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there is no scientific evidence for such

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and it does not surprise me that 22,000

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supporters have signed a petition

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undoubtedly an online petition I wonder

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if this will be setting some sort of

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precedent I'm sure it will anyway that

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story is available online and I will

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link to it in this week's show notes

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dia las esperamos con nuestra Ricky see

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un tango mientras tanto sugandha fruit

546
00:24:22,130 --> 00:24:09,290
and oda sudo see Simonelli ciencia de

547
00:24:28,740 --> 00:24:25,470
well I'm here in Canberra and I am

548
00:24:31,620 --> 00:24:28,750
talking to Christine done hi nice to

549
00:24:34,110 --> 00:24:31,630
meet you so first of all tell us a

550
00:24:36,060 --> 00:24:34,120
little bit about yourself I'm a sports

551
00:24:39,630 --> 00:24:36,070
psychologist I currently work at they're

552
00:24:41,460 --> 00:24:39,640
a CT Academy of Sport and prior to that

553
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:41,470
I've been working in the Australian and

554
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:43,600
Scottish sporting systems with elite

555
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:46,480
Olympic and Paralympic athletes and what

556
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:49,410
made you get into sports psychology oh

557
00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:52,240
gosh I wish I had a great story sadly I

558
00:24:56,130 --> 00:24:54,130
just really like sports and I really

559
00:24:56,940 --> 00:24:56,140
like people and I'm not particularly

560
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:56,950
good at sports

561
00:25:04,860 --> 00:25:01,360
so my entry point was via psychology so

562
00:25:08,370 --> 00:25:04,870
tonight talk is about elite athletes and

563
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:08,380
sports superstitions you talked a little

564
00:25:15,060 --> 00:25:12,610
bit about this phenomenon yes oh boy it

565
00:25:16,860 --> 00:25:15,070
is a fairly uncertain thing right

566
00:25:19,170 --> 00:25:16,870
there's skill involved there's some luck

567
00:25:21,420 --> 00:25:19,180
involved in most follow it and that can

568
00:25:23,340 --> 00:25:21,430
lead to some interesting behaviors if

569
00:25:24,690 --> 00:25:23,350
you watch sport you'll probably see some

570
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:24,700
athletes doing some fairly unusual

571
00:25:30,150 --> 00:25:27,730
things and that's them trying to manage

572
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:30,160
their anxieties around what might happen

573
00:25:34,410 --> 00:25:32,080
in the event that they're competing in

574
00:25:37,980 --> 00:25:34,420
do you have any personal favorites that

575
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:37,990
you've seen in your time look Steve were

576
00:25:41,490 --> 00:25:40,000
always my hero when I was growing up and

577
00:25:44,010 --> 00:25:41,500
he had a red hanky that he was

578
00:25:47,790 --> 00:25:44,020
particularly attached to it's not an

579
00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:47,800
especially exciting superstition but

580
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:50,710
that's one that I remember the one that

581
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:52,960
people often bring up most to me is Rafa

582
00:25:56,430 --> 00:25:54,970
Nadal he's got a few behaviors that

583
00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:56,440
people will notice so if you're a tennis

584
00:26:01,050 --> 00:25:58,450
watch oh you'll see he's kind of a he's

585
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:01,060
a fidgety player and he's got a number

586
00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:02,650
of behaviours that he will do including

587
00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:04,510
lining up his water bottles and playing

588
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:06,130
with different bits of clothing and

589
00:26:11,130 --> 00:26:08,290
getting himself ready to play as a

590
00:26:13,020 --> 00:26:11,140
scientist how do you deal with athletes

591
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:13,030
who have these sort of superstitions

592
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:15,760
knowing that for the most part they're

593
00:26:22,050 --> 00:26:18,490
completely harmless but have absolutely

594
00:26:24,300 --> 00:26:22,060
no scientific merit yes look I'm an

595
00:26:25,860 --> 00:26:24,310
applied practitioner so I'm a scientist

596
00:26:27,270 --> 00:26:25,870
practitioner sorry if they're harmless

597
00:26:30,300 --> 00:26:27,280
and

598
00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:30,310
they're helpful as so you know so

599
00:26:33,630 --> 00:26:32,110
they're at least harmless and they might

600
00:26:36,810 --> 00:26:33,640
be helping the athlete perform by

601
00:26:38,820 --> 00:26:36,820
perhaps reducing their anxiety then I

602
00:26:41,060 --> 00:26:38,830
usually let it go but we look at the

603
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:41,070
function of it and whether that

604
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:43,210
superstition or ritual is getting in the

605
00:26:46,860 --> 00:26:45,730
way of their behavior and a recent

606
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:46,870
example of that would be a football

607
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:49,840
player who was unable to he was not on

608
00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:51,250
the field for kickoff because they had

609
00:26:54,420 --> 00:26:52,510
to be the last person out of their

610
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:54,430
changing room and so then it's

611
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:56,170
dysfunctional and then I would look at

612
00:26:59,040 --> 00:26:57,970
trying to try to work with that athlete

613
00:27:01,980 --> 00:26:59,050
to change their beliefs

614
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:01,990
how can a behavior like that turn as

615
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:05,170
dysfunctional as happy have you ever led

616
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:09,930
to actual harm not that I'm aware of

617
00:27:14,370 --> 00:27:12,970
you know the psychological pain of not

618
00:27:17,910 --> 00:27:14,380
being able to do things that you need to

619
00:27:19,290 --> 00:27:17,920
do but know there's no harm attached to

620
00:27:21,870 --> 00:27:19,300
it it just means it's going to impact

621
00:27:24,150 --> 00:27:21,880
your performance in a negative way in

622
00:27:30,510 --> 00:27:24,160
your time how would you rate the quality

623
00:27:32,130 --> 00:27:30,520
of your strain sport at the moment we're

624
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:32,140
in a reasonable position you know the

625
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:34,480
world's I work in is mostly Olympic and

626
00:27:38,910 --> 00:27:36,730
Paralympic and Tokyo still just under

627
00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:38,920
eighteen months away so I think we're in

628
00:27:42,300 --> 00:27:40,510
a good position our Paralympic team in

629
00:27:43,770 --> 00:27:42,310
particular had a good Rio our Olympic

630
00:27:46,110 --> 00:27:43,780
team didn't have a great Rio so

631
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:46,120
hopefully we can get on top of that and

632
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:47,410
I'm really looking forward to seeing the

633
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:49,120
ashes of the Rugby World Cup later this

634
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:52,240
year as well alright well I look forward

635
00:27:55,950 --> 00:27:54,250
to your talk thank you very much and

636
00:27:57,060 --> 00:27:55,960
thank you very much for coming to speak

637
00:27:58,620 --> 00:27:57,070
to camera skeptics

638
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you're very welcome looking forward to

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it

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aliens are probing people and mutilating

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642
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643
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645
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647
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and now we continue our series of

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reports articles items of interest from

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[Applause]

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and this week we go back to volume

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678
00:30:05,270 --> 00:30:02,490
Flying Saucer II Steve Robert searches

679
00:30:12,190 --> 00:30:05,280
the skies for evidence of UFOs and a

680
00:30:15,290 --> 00:30:12,200
history of hoaxes UFO hoaxes

681
00:30:17,870 --> 00:30:15,300
surprisingly there aren't many take a

682
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:17,880
big bunch of UFO sightings say over the

683
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:20,850
last 60 years the bunch will turn out to

684
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:22,770
be much smaller than you would think

685
00:30:28,190 --> 00:30:25,250
given the popularity of the topic

686
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:28,200
dismissing those none caused by

687
00:30:33,470 --> 00:30:30,890
extraterrestrial vehicles and those many

688
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:33,480
having a peculiar absence of the

689
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:35,570
expected level of detail and information

690
00:30:41,450 --> 00:30:38,490
we are left with the misinterpretations

691
00:30:44,780 --> 00:30:41,460
of genuine phenomena and a few hoaxes

692
00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:44,790
sadly for the UFO community most famous

693
00:30:50,090 --> 00:30:47,310
sightings have fallen sooner or later

694
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:50,100
into the last category and amusingly

695
00:30:57,020 --> 00:30:54,330
given the incident Rendlesham forest of

696
00:30:59,630 --> 00:30:57,030
1980 for example can be accepted as a

697
00:31:02,900 --> 00:30:59,640
genuine UFO event by some groups and

698
00:31:04,610 --> 00:31:02,910
rejected as mundane my others the next

699
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:04,620
thing that you will notice from your

700
00:31:09,170 --> 00:31:06,330
ever shrinking bunch of the UFO

701
00:31:13,790 --> 00:31:09,180
incidents is their dates there'll be

702
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:13,800
nothing much up until 1947 and even then

703
00:31:21,050 --> 00:31:16,410
not as much until the two mighty waves

704
00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:21,060
in 1952 and 1954 followed by steady

705
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:25,110
decline with a brief resurgence in 1977

706
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:27,690
caused by the release of the movie Close

707
00:31:33,700 --> 00:31:29,730
Encounters of the Third Kind

708
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:33,710
and nearly all of these were in the USA

709
00:31:38,990 --> 00:31:36,450
sightings with associated evidence

710
00:31:43,130 --> 00:31:39,000
typically a photograph but usually with

711
00:31:46,270 --> 00:31:43,140
a incoherent story are even fewer just

712
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:46,280
one good photo with a plausible story

713
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:49,410
explaining for example why nobody else

714
00:31:55,070 --> 00:31:52,050
took the same photo would still be

715
00:31:58,159 --> 00:31:55,080
enough to command serious attention long

716
00:32:00,409 --> 00:31:58,169
ago cameras were exotic toys

717
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:00,419
was not very common for an individual to

718
00:32:05,930 --> 00:32:03,330
own one or if you did to waste the

719
00:32:08,989 --> 00:32:05,940
expensive film and development until

720
00:32:12,739 --> 00:32:08,999
about the 1950s the accordingly fairies

721
00:32:15,499 --> 00:32:12,749
of 1917 were taken with roughly three by

722
00:32:18,499 --> 00:32:15,509
four inch glass plates that ruled out

723
00:32:20,570 --> 00:32:18,509
handheld use and required the subject to

724
00:32:23,749 --> 00:32:20,580
pose for a second or so but were

725
00:32:26,299 --> 00:32:23,759
nevertheless usable by complete amateurs

726
00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:26,309
it was parental disapproval that stopped

727
00:32:31,639 --> 00:32:29,129
the girls taking more pictures some UFOs

728
00:32:35,149 --> 00:32:31,649
predate camera ownership of course but

729
00:32:37,879 --> 00:32:35,159
not many in 1897 there was a wave of

730
00:32:40,159 --> 00:32:37,889
phantom airship sightings helped along

731
00:32:42,529 --> 00:32:40,169
by pranksters releasing hot-air balloons

732
00:32:45,019 --> 00:32:42,539
with fires under them this is an old

733
00:32:49,070 --> 00:32:45,029
chestnut but it was still fooling people

734
00:32:51,950 --> 00:32:49,080
in 2012 in Warren bull Victoria in like

735
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:51,960
vain the Wisconsin UFO Club used to meet

736
00:32:57,739 --> 00:32:54,809
in the Lakeside pub where they could

737
00:33:00,289 --> 00:32:57,749
enjoy beer hamburgers and pizza and tell

738
00:33:03,129 --> 00:33:00,299
yarns while gazing at the view over the

739
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:03,139
lake some locals thought it would be

740
00:33:09,499 --> 00:33:06,690
charitable to provide balloon borne UFOs

741
00:33:12,739 --> 00:33:09,509
for them to look at and photograph by

742
00:33:15,649 --> 00:33:12,749
the 1950s reasonably priced camera film

743
00:33:18,169 --> 00:33:15,659
was in widespread use and many hobbyists

744
00:33:21,889 --> 00:33:18,179
were developing their own negatives and

745
00:33:23,779 --> 00:33:21,899
prints some tricks were easy to do in

746
00:33:26,330 --> 00:33:23,789
the darkroom resulting in prints

747
00:33:29,749 --> 00:33:26,340
differing from the negatives and hence

748
00:33:31,999 --> 00:33:29,759
from reality George Adamski couldn't

749
00:33:34,729 --> 00:33:32,009
resist casting shadows in his printing

750
00:33:36,979 --> 00:33:34,739
process when he wasn't setting up vacuum

751
00:33:39,710 --> 00:33:36,989
cleaners and tennis balls to bolster his

752
00:33:42,169 --> 00:33:39,720
UFO stories the quality of these and

753
00:33:45,649 --> 00:33:42,179
similar pictures now and then actually

754
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:45,659
is truly appalling fuzzy focus and weird

755
00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:48,330
framing required UFO complainants to

756
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:50,609
plead the excuse that they couldn't get

757
00:33:54,349 --> 00:33:51,600
the camera ready

758
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:54,359
even during incidents when there clearly

759
00:33:59,539 --> 00:33:56,850
would have been plenty of time to make a

760
00:34:03,279 --> 00:33:59,549
better job further excuses had to be

761
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:03,289
advanced as to how a UFO could be badly

762
00:34:08,569 --> 00:34:06,330
photographed but no attempt made to snap

763
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:08,579
the actual aliens that came out of it

764
00:34:13,999 --> 00:34:11,129
very many non hoaxes you

765
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:14,009
photographs have this fuzzy quality and

766
00:34:19,549 --> 00:34:17,490
there is a reason for this and why UFO

767
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:19,559
events are always at the edge of

768
00:34:25,700 --> 00:34:23,129
detection if the UFO was any further

769
00:34:28,789 --> 00:34:25,710
away from being observed or photographed

770
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:28,799
we wouldn't see it at all and if it was

771
00:34:34,819 --> 00:34:31,679
closer we'd see the fine details that

772
00:34:37,700 --> 00:34:34,829
would give away its identity it follows

773
00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:37,710
that UFO hoax photographs must all be

774
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:40,529
slightly out of focus and it is a

775
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:43,649
courageous hoaxer indeed who sharply

776
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:47,490
defines his UFO billy meier for example

777
00:34:53,180 --> 00:34:50,609
has produced some sharp UFO pictures but

778
00:34:55,970 --> 00:34:53,190
now the catches that their context is so

779
00:34:58,130 --> 00:34:55,980
far from what he claims they show that

780
00:35:01,400 --> 00:34:58,140
you can't understand what the objects

781
00:35:03,950 --> 00:35:01,410
really are usually buttons after a

782
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:03,960
couple of decades of UFO silliness the

783
00:35:09,259 --> 00:35:05,970
US government finally commissioned the

784
00:35:11,150 --> 00:35:09,269
Condon report to examine the phenomena

785
00:35:13,460 --> 00:35:11,160
and hopefully dismiss it allowing

786
00:35:16,759 --> 00:35:13,470
Americans to divert their attention to

787
00:35:18,829 --> 00:35:16,769
education citizenship Wars etc amongst

788
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:18,839
the incidents this report admitted it

789
00:35:24,019 --> 00:35:21,089
could not explain worthy McMinnville

790
00:35:27,289 --> 00:35:24,029
photographs of 1950 which showed a

791
00:35:30,349 --> 00:35:27,299
tilted saucer shaped craft viewed from a

792
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:30,359
farmland years later and of course

793
00:35:34,849 --> 00:35:32,730
showing the superiority of private

794
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:34,859
enterprise over wasteful and clumsy

795
00:35:39,980 --> 00:35:37,200
government processes private researchers

796
00:35:43,549 --> 00:35:39,990
would actually visit that farm yard and

797
00:35:45,380 --> 00:35:43,559
deduce the camera position held and thus

798
00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:45,390
show that the pictures had been

799
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:48,089
carefully framed not taken in haste as

800
00:35:54,170 --> 00:35:51,359
in the covering story and a photograph

801
00:35:57,470 --> 00:35:54,180
appeared of the farmers truck whose

802
00:36:01,730 --> 00:35:57,480
tilted side mirrors so closely so very

803
00:36:04,999 --> 00:36:01,740
closely resembled that UFO so that one

804
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:05,009
flew away but nonetheless 37 years later

805
00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:07,200
ed Walters took a series of photographs

806
00:36:13,490 --> 00:36:10,529
over a period of some months at Gulf

807
00:36:16,339 --> 00:36:13,500
Breeze Florida these better quality but

808
00:36:19,460 --> 00:36:16,349
still fuzzy snaps were convincing too

809
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:19,470
many money began to flow in and indeed

810
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:22,079
so convincing were they to ed himself

811
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:23,609
that he felt the need to make a

812
00:36:27,740 --> 00:36:24,720
completely Act

813
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:27,750
it's scale model of the UFO and hide it

814
00:36:32,330 --> 00:36:30,240
in the Attic of his house a hoaxed

815
00:36:35,359 --> 00:36:32,340
picture is worth a thousand hoaxed words

816
00:36:37,700 --> 00:36:35,369
so the UFO stories with pictures were

817
00:36:40,099 --> 00:36:37,710
always the best received and believed

818
00:36:42,849 --> 00:36:40,109
but one by one the guilt-ridden

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photographers of the 1950s and 1960s

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owned up until finally there was only

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one photo left that had any credibility

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that taken by the 13-year old Steven

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Derbyshire in 1954 this showed a UFO of

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similar designed and proportions to

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00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:01,920
George Adamski's hovering out of focus

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but neatly placed just above a hedge and

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again of an appalling quality but oh joy

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of joys this one was in Britain and thus

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better than the American ones it was

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widely claimed that a lad so young would

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not or could not tell Porky's about such

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a picture and for decades it commanded

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the respect of the UFO fans Derbyshire

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was even interviewed at Buckingham

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Palace yes he even deceived the Queen's

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husband sometimes a story gets so big

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you can't stop it but years later and

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after much stress he fessed up and this

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UFO flew away - most hoaxes were done

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quote just for a laugh unquote and got

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out of hand but some were cynical

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exploitation the most wonderful of these

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latter is the alien autopsy film bought

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in 1995 by Ray Santilli he also bought

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some still photographs but chose not to

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release those as they showed earthly

847
00:38:13,790 --> 00:38:10,170
detail better left fuzzy the alien body

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was made of rubber plus some meat parts

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supplied by CS Crosby wholesale butchers

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of Smithfield meat market

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they should have sponsored the film but

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usually its attention rather than money

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00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:27,690
that is sought Mexico is awash with UFO

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00:38:34,370 --> 00:38:30,510
videos from obscure people the dream

855
00:38:36,849 --> 00:38:34,380
based ninth planet and encounter Kelly

856
00:38:38,450 --> 00:38:36,859
Cahill stories made a few Bob and

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moreover the

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were Australian nowadays of course not

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00:38:47,180 --> 00:38:45,030
only our cameras universally owned and

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carried about which has completely

861
00:38:52,250 --> 00:38:49,560
killed off the UFO stories but

862
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quadcopters and similar drones have also

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00:38:57,020 --> 00:38:54,290
come well within amateur reach

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00:39:04,140 --> 00:38:57,030
fortunately people are more aware than

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and that was flying the sorcery by Steve

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Roberts and you can read that for

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yourself in volume 34 number 4 of the

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skeptic magazine from December 2014 at

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[Music]

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are you tired of going out and not being

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able to find the kind of music that you

872
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:38,170
like to dance - like that well you need

873
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:40,210
to comes with Maynard slum shack at the

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red bar upstairs at 36 Lee Point Road in

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00:39:47,370 --> 00:39:45,549
bleep in Sydney we'll be going crazy

876
00:40:00,059 --> 00:39:47,380
there as I've played the coda music you

877
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:00,069
were to dance to stuff like you can

878
00:40:02,729 --> 00:40:01,450
always dance the card stuff you like

879
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:02,739
then innit

880
00:40:07,170 --> 00:40:04,960
that's Maynard's Love Shack more details

881
00:40:10,799 --> 00:40:07,180
on the very very front page of Maynard

882
00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:10,809
calm dodo you can skeptics dance another

883
00:40:14,729 --> 00:40:12,910
can drink well can skeptics dance

884
00:40:16,910 --> 00:40:14,739
I don't know I'm full of incertitude

885
00:40:20,099 --> 00:40:16,920
what's that mean its orders right

886
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incertitude that's only rude finance

887
00:40:25,620 --> 00:40:23,469
Love Shack H midnight 36 upstairs at the

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red bar bleep light red and green see

889
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you there and look I might even play

890
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this to my Nance Love Shack sad a 4th of

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May

892
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:41,619
see you there well we're here in the

893
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Madame frou frou cafe in glee Maynard

894
00:40:47,459 --> 00:40:45,789
what can you say well you have meaning

895
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:47,469
for a while you've been overseas doing

896
00:40:51,690 --> 00:40:49,930
them really interesting skeptical things

897
00:40:52,019 --> 00:40:51,700
overseas but right now you're busy doing

898
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:52,029
coffee

899
00:40:56,059 --> 00:40:54,640
I'm trying yes I've got a lovely Madame

900
00:40:59,400 --> 00:40:56,069
frou frou coffee in front of me and

901
00:41:02,660 --> 00:40:59,410
while I was away I heard your Love Shack

902
00:41:05,309 --> 00:41:02,670
night was a big success it was it was a

903
00:41:08,279 --> 00:41:05,319
roaring medium average success that is

904
00:41:09,329 --> 00:41:08,289
certainly true and I was a big day

905
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:09,339
because had to set everything up there

906
00:41:12,539 --> 00:41:10,930
it's not usually a club that they DJ at

907
00:41:14,130 --> 00:41:12,549
so it was so good and we're doing it to

908
00:41:17,969 --> 00:41:14,140
get on the fourth which would be a lot

909
00:41:20,219 --> 00:41:17,979
of fun and and there's even a total for

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00:41:22,049 --> 00:41:20,229
our recording of the night for our

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00:41:24,029 --> 00:41:22,059
patreon Zone Lee of Planet mainland

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00:41:25,140 --> 00:41:24,039
which which is basically the entire

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00:41:26,670 --> 00:41:25,150
recording of the whole night which you

914
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:26,680
can just listen to at home and we've had

915
00:41:30,209 --> 00:41:28,089
a few people including the midnight

916
00:41:31,530 --> 00:41:30,219
sceptic the watch of midnight see a

917
00:41:33,690 --> 00:41:31,540
night skeptic

918
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:33,700
those days he's got his own show he's

919
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:36,370
skeptical show and he said he liked it

920
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:38,050
served the midnight sceptic likes it I

921
00:41:41,310 --> 00:41:40,090
don't know what that means I don't know

922
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:41,320
what it means either but folks if you're

923
00:41:45,660 --> 00:41:42,370
in Sydney and you want to help support

924
00:41:47,250 --> 00:41:45,670
may nod because Maynard does podcast and

925
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:47,260
he's also of course here on the sceptic

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00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:49,810
zone why not go along to Maenads Love

927
00:41:55,380 --> 00:41:52,480
Shack number two on the 4th of May

928
00:41:57,570 --> 00:41:55,390
details and Maynard comdata you as out

929
00:42:06,470 --> 00:41:57,580
toast and muesli arrives

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00:42:10,620 --> 00:42:08,940
thank you for listening to the skeptic

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00:42:13,290 --> 00:42:10,630
CERN and another big thank you to all

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00:42:15,150 --> 00:42:13,300
those people who contribute weekly or

933
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monthly or whatever the case may be are

934
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:17,770
to the skeptic zone via patreon or

935
00:42:23,730 --> 00:42:21,610
PayPal at skeptic zone TV your

936
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:23,740
contribution means the show keeps going

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00:42:30,090 --> 00:42:26,290
you could say that this week's skeptic

938
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:30,100
zone was brought to you by you the

939
00:42:33,660 --> 00:42:31,810
people who do contribute and for

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00:42:35,850 --> 00:42:33,670
everybody else well there's the hint

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00:42:36,930 --> 00:42:35,860
coming up on next week's show we're

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going to bring you an interview with

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00:42:40,860 --> 00:42:39,700
Jessica singer Jessica a longtime

944
00:42:43,290 --> 00:42:40,870
committee member of the Australian

945
00:42:45,450 --> 00:42:43,300
skeptics here in Sydney recently went to

946
00:42:47,850 --> 00:42:45,460
the UK and went to skeptics in the pub

947
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:47,860
in London she's going to be telling us

948
00:42:51,540 --> 00:42:49,930
about that and speaking of skeptics in

949
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:51,550
the pub don't forget skeptics in the pub

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00:42:57,690 --> 00:42:53,770
in Sydney first Thursday of the month

951
00:43:00,060 --> 00:42:57,700
and next month are we on the second yes

952
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I think it's the 2nd of May there'll be

953
00:43:07,650 --> 00:43:04,360
a talk by a surfing scientist dr. rip as

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00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:07,660
he's known Rob branda rob branda is a

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00:43:12,570 --> 00:43:10,240
professor and surf scientist in the

956
00:43:14,850 --> 00:43:12,580
school of biological earth and

957
00:43:17,580 --> 00:43:14,860
environmental sciences at the University

958
00:43:20,070 --> 00:43:17,590
of New South Wales he's also known as

959
00:43:21,570 --> 00:43:20,080
dr. rip now that's going to be an

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00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:21,580
interesting night I should be there with

961
00:43:26,070 --> 00:43:23,920
my microphone and main art as well to do

962
00:43:28,620 --> 00:43:26,080
interviews as normal and just a couple

963
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:28,630
of days after that we have the

964
00:43:32,610 --> 00:43:30,970
Australian sceptics vaccination clinic

965
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:32,620
here in Sydney more information at

966
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:35,680
skeptics kaamdar you and after the

967
00:43:40,860 --> 00:43:38,050
vaccination clinic that evening we have

968
00:43:42,930 --> 00:43:40,870
Maynard's Love Shack number 2 may not of

969
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:42,940
course one of the top deejays in Sydney

970
00:43:47,700 --> 00:43:44,410
and if you'd like to support Maynard

971
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:47,710
then head along to Love Shack number two

972
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:49,090
I'll see you there

973
00:43:54,900 --> 00:43:51,370
but for this week with those funny birds

974
00:43:57,090 --> 00:43:54,910
now flown away outside the window isn't

975
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,100
that isn't that typical or maybe that's

976
00:44:01,500 --> 00:43:59,440
confirmation bias of course you hear

977
00:44:02,940 --> 00:44:01,510
planes and loud birds when you're trying

978
00:44:05,940 --> 00:44:02,950
to do something but as soon as you want

979
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:05,950
to hear them they go away I'm gonna

980
00:44:09,870 --> 00:44:07,570
ponder that all week but for this week

981
00:44:14,500 --> 00:44:09,880
this is Richard Saunders signing off

982
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:17,000
you've been listening to the skeptic

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00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:20,720
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00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:25,710
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